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Realistically you are asking a wrong question, I know not more than 1% can make a choice of yes and who want to say NO will not vote (hesitate).

People come to US to open doors of opportunity and returning back not to return will close those doors for ever.

Ok here's a much better one than my last one, I'd like this one in the poll...

-Matt
Nice :thumb: Like it much.

Funny how much the background makes it look better ;)

^^
That is not really an answer, you know?

I have been a long time passive audience in this joint and now I am voicing my opinion with a logical and polite discussion. What's with the god forgiving my ignorance, if any?

Ok here is my question how come all EB3 are "body shopped consulants" and what are EB2 ? "High profiled consulatants" ? I want to know what is gctest ?

there is nothing wrong in expressing but taking a category and calling them body shoped is not the right way to express ...

you think you are having a logical and polite conversation - thats the ignorance part .

I don't care when i would get the Green card. what i want is interim relief (AP and EAD). Something is better than Nothing.

This is in reference to a thread about feeling depressed by retrogression or labor backlogs to stuck FBI namechecks or whatever it is that depresses you. Not criticizing anyone in particular so dont aim for me.

Yes, and a lot of people know that there are highly skilled people who are depressed and that takes a toll on employee productivity.

After all, if 90% of your time is spent on thinking about BECs and visa bulletins, imagine if that time was spent on doing the job they've hired you for.

Some employers(like Microsoft) realize this and want to do something about it. Its not just about keeping the best and brightest here in USA. Its also about keeping the morale and productivity up.

As to how to deal with this...try this.

Call your local congressman's office(Find out info about that from House.gov, with your zipcode). Get an appointment with congressman. There is an Easter recess coming up when they would be back from DC.

Then talk to him about all issues you have. Take all the material you need from the "Volunteer" menu item of this website.

Doing something about the problem is the best therapy there is. I am not saying this because I want to coax you into meeting your congressman. No. That's not the objective. But I think action is the best remedy for this problem. And there is actionable stuff to do about this. If you are suffering from terminal cancer, then you really cant do anything about that. This is not such a problem. This is a problem for which the solution is out there.

Somehow, after landing in this country, people lose the appetite for risk and adventure. Before they are in here, they would move mountains to score an H1 or an F1. After coming here, they hunker down, heads-under-the-desk kind of approach. What I am talking about is nearly 200 people right now, who have read this post, but havent logged in. They wouldnt log in. They wouldnt give their real email address if they sign up. They would never contribute. WHY? Because they are afraid. That they will be deported. For no reason. Everything we do is legal, including raising funds and spending it on lobbying. But they are afraid. They are also afraid that by talking to congressmen, they will make them mad and the congressman will pick up the phone, call USCIS and then get their 140 cancelled. Yes. People create their own fastasies and become afraid of them..

Yesterday, nearly 2000 Irish illegals went to capitol hill (http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/frontpage/2007/0308/1173121325488.html)and talked to various lawmakers to lobby for CIR and legalization. They were illegals. Yet, the somehow managed to walk into the building where laws of this country are made, talk to people who make the laws that they have broken, go thru Capitol Hill security check, and look into the eye of the lawmaker and talk to them.

However, our community, this is how they behave. Forget about talking to congressman, or contributing money. When they call the core group with a question, they block the caller id can call. Dont disclose their name too. Ask a questions and then quickely hang up. Some of them want to contribute with cash because they are not willing to believe us that we are doing everything legal here and its their right to lobbying and petition the Government for problems.

After paying taxes, after following all immigration laws, after getting all the education in the world to become "Highly skilled", the highly skilled cant bring themselves to stand-up with a straight spine, thump their desk and talk to their lawmaker.

So at the end of the day, if we are depressed that legals dont get attention, then you know where to look for blame : the highly skilled who are highly educated and too afraid because their education and skills make them think too much and analyze too much, and they are afraid all the time.

logic, Very interesting to read this..good post.... but this got me thinking in retrospect; how many of us have voted back home? How many of us know how laws are made back home or made an effort to become involved in the law making process back home? Other than for a favour I wonder how many have picked up the phone and dialed the MLA or MP ("our" lawmakers in the true sense) on a law making issue. How many of us have filed taxes or even know what filing taxes means back home? :) Guys, don't aim for me, I am just reflecting on the views put forth in in logic's post. My point is, being judgmental is not going to get anybody anywhere. I am not really sure who is afraid..who isn't etc. Perhaps none of us has the courage to hang our boots here, go back and become the next LN Mittal or Bill Gates?..open the next Microsoft, Oracle etc :)?. I admit that I definitely don't have the courage otherwise I definitely wouldn't be here in the first place. The "their lawmaker" quoted somewhere in the above post doesn't hold good in the true sense. The most promising solution is to approach the CEOs of big businesses so they can contact "their lawmakers". I know that employees in Microsoft have approached and talked to Bill Gates on this issue. I will try to do the same at my employer. Let us all do that with our respective employers. I know that we will be afraid to do this and it is natural...after all things could backfire and we might get fired for talking to the CEO :-).

Agreed, let everybody keep this to topic and stop making personal remarks. I haven't made any personal attacks in this thread. A couple of notorious people are at it as usual.

Thanks TonyHK12. I see that so far you have kept it cool here...inspite of some provocations :)
I for one very much appreciate that. Please keep it up. We do have common goals that we can work productively towards.

I am still debating whether to call in or to write - but I will definitely do one of the two. I just read the other thread linked to by 'internet' above & thought I would say a couple of things to the losers at alipac who worship racists like tancredo and lou: Don't distort this thread's message - we not are trying to gag Mr.Lou however much I puke everytime I see him spewing venow on 'aliens' -and I sometimes even admire his constant state of outrage and complete lack of shame. He and his worshippers at alipac are a reminder that bigotry may have been outlawed offcially in the 60's but definitely wasn't completely eliminated for posterity -a lesson to all those who forget history and think we have always been 'civilized'; we are the nation we are today because of the tireless work of so many great leaders supported by so many forward thinking Americans of all colors -so lets be clear - we WANT LOU to spew his venom and unvarnished bigotry in Detroit - we WANT alipac to worship such hatemongers so when youngsters wonder how people could have been done horrible acts in the past we can point to you guys and say 'here you go - now know that every generation has its bigots and its the duty of decent folks to oppose them - its a constant never ending fight!'

I am hoping atleast it will move forward and not backwards....

Dec 2001 is my guess. Hopefully, it will continue to move as the year progresses...


what DEC 2001 ? Is this for India China or rest of the world?

06/03/2008: House Returns to the Session Today After Memorial Holiday Break With Various EB Legislative Bills on the Shelves

* Both the House and the Senate will start picking up the legislative bills from this week and some of the employment-based bills will come to their attention as time moves on, such as Conrad 30 extension bill or Conrad 30 program improvement bill for the international medical graduates (current law already sunsetting two days ago on June 1, 2008) and religious worker immigration bill which will sunset at the end of September 2008. These two bills passed the House waiting for the Senate action.

There are many other immigration bills pending in the House and the Senate, some of which were attached to the Iraq War Emergency Special Spending bill in the Senate and all of these bills were killed by either the Senate majority leaders or hardliner minority Senators primarily related to the AgJOBs bill which was considered by the illegal immigration relief opponents as an amnesty legislation which the Democrats attempted to pass as part of the national election year strategy.

The employment-based immigration bills are currently facing a strong resistance from the comprehensive immigration reform advocates opposing piecemeal immigration legislations and deeply tangled in the election year party politics. The comprehensive immigration reform proponents appear to take a strategy of holding the immigration legislation at bay until next January or February, while the employment-based piecemeal immigration proponents want the Congress to pass these bills before the end of the year. As the primaries of the Democratic Presidential nomination are about to wind down and the election politics will pick up the heat of steam of the presidential fights between the Republican candidate and the Democratic Candidate, both of the candidates may noticeably try to move to the center to grab independent voters, giving added strength to the comprehensive immigration reform proponents as opposed to the employment-based piecemeal immigration reform proponents. From the perspectives of the employment based immigration legislation, there lie some uphill battles. We will closely watch and monitor the drama for the next two or three months. Unless any EB based bills are compromised and passed during the period, the chance for the EB reform will practically evaporate in 2008. Please stay tuned.

There are several of us who have advanced degrees and yet have been put under EB3. Now, a lot of them can move on to a more responsible role but held captive by the immigration situation.
Just a thought - if the STEM degree holders can be exempt, then it will take some weight off the entire system.

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I see another question too on legal immigration...vote for that too..we need to bring forward legal immigration questions

Question on: Immigration
Illegal immigration has been a topic of heated debate and has received much needed attention during this election. In the midst of all the hype and bickering about ILLEGAL immigration, there is a group of people, often forgotten and ignored, who are caught up in a bureaucratic mess and yet are patiently waiting on the path to LEGAL immigration. This is a group of high skilled workers, most of whom have advanced degrees in medicine, engineering and science from Universities in the US. These people have obeyed all laws, worked hard, paid taxes and waited their turn, many for a decade, because of a system that is hopelessly broken and inefficient. I am one of these people and I have been in the US legally for 10 years and still years away from getting a green card. As the President of the United States how do you intend to address the problems faced by future Americans already living and working LEGALLY in the United States? Please note, this question is NOT about ILLEGAL immigration but about LEGAL immigration.

The objective here is to add members; to acheive that we need get to the places where they go.

1. regularly visited websites

I am not saying we should advertise in Indian sites only. I am saying advertise in the sites where immigration applicants visit regularly.

Grocery stores & company HR sites are obviously other means to get attention of the immigration applicants.

Absolutely, I agree with you. Please help us out! Thank you!

I just voted, it's question 84 today at 7:40 am

I beg the max because I don't think we can do anything without the lobbying firm and other lobbying activities by core, and the contributions are < 20% of the money required. Please convince me that I should stop begging because !@#$%& or explain how to beg when we have < 3% contributing members in 45 days. In other words, please resolve the begging issue (by possibly explaing that we don't need the lobbying firm and/or other things). This is question 1.

The following will be neglible if there is an implementable answer to question 1.

He is un-comfortable because whenever he login to IV, he noticed that:
- more than 40-50% respondents are talking about money/contributions & signatures showing how much they have contributed as of today,
- 10-15% are talking about blocking non-contributors(calling by Free Lunchers etc..),

The numbers in the following are low and the list is not complete. Lets assume the complete laundary list with higher numbers.

- 5 % are Pseudo intellectuals (talking BIG but dont know immigration basics like - PD, issues of I-140/I485)
- 5% are always trying to shutdown others, accusing/calling by names to other forum members (he says "Highly skilled" in accusing!!)

Consider a retrogressed member X that uses the following quote to decide that Hill (with lobbying firm) and grassroot lobbying is important.

Most people struggle with life balance simply because they haven't paid the price to decide what is really important to them.

X again uses the above quote to decide the following. What are the arguments against this decision? This is question 2.

Contribute financially and help in financial contributions from others so that we can lobby on the Hill, and
Help with grass root lobbying (legislators + media), and
Ignore the laundary list rather then expect everyone to meet X's requirements.

The two questions are for everyone. Some members have gone over these issues a couple of times in the last 2 months. Please respond ONLY if you have an argument for question 1 and/or an argument for question 2.

a special "Debate thread" (not fight :) ) where anything goes is probably not a bad idea at this point. where certain members who want to debate can be granted access

The constant hijacking of every thread is getting tiresome. :(

Its only the instigators and flamers, who would want that thread. Personal attacks should be banned on threads. Most people are happy just debating.

The person initiating or using provocation for a personal attack should be banned after a couple of warnings. The victim has no such restrictions and is allowed to retaliate as much as he wants.

Don't debate. Send the E-mail NOW!

We can debate in pleasure later. I have created a poll to keep count of how many have responded to our request. So far it's just a handful. Wish IV members were as dedicated as the anti-immigrants at ALIPAC.

Folks, your silence is killing our cause. Don't fret and fume later when you get the 'Leave Immediately. You application is cancelled' notice. Remember then, you were responsible for you sorry state due to your silly inexcusable inaction.

It's useless to discuss with bigots at ALIPAC. They don't want to understand us!. Why do you think they didn't link to our website? There's so much you can do to those who run away from the truth, and hide their heads in the sand like an ostrich.

When we cannot make the 'Great Egoists' of the anti-IV immigrant crowd to see reason for a cause that benefits them, what chances we have with bigots who have a vested interest in opposing us?

I am still debating whether to call in or to write - but I will definitely do one of the two. I just read the other thread linked to by 'internet' above & thought I would say a couple of things to the losers at alipac who worship racists like tancredo and lou:

I think it is 45 working days, not counting weekends and holidays, that gives us 9 weeks of time to file for 140, that should be enough in most cases.

400k is the unused visas from both FB and EB. Don't know the breakup though.


The number 400,000 (total unused from family based and employment based) in Mrs. GILLIBRAND's website is an estimate as clearly mentioned in the website itself. During last year's recapture bill discussion season, the unused number many calculated and conlcuded was somewhere between 200K to 225K for employment based category.

The bill S.1085 doesn't speak of any specific number of visas to be recaptured. It says that, recapture all (unused visas from 1992 through 2007 + unused from previous fiscal year (2008)) and add it to the current fiscal year.

So, the total should be somewhere between 200K and 225K (or more).

A lot of people, including me have lost faith in IV. They are not going to pay. We don't know what IV is working on and we don't believe it can do anything. The sooner IV accepts it, the better. I have seen this personally in talking to people and you can see the evidence with less than 300 people contributing. IV needs to produce results first.

Before you ladies jump on me with your (p)curses for personal attacks, read on.

IV needs to figure out other ways to generate cash if it thinks that would help. One way would be advertising on the site. I think IV has built this website well and it is an asset it needs to use NOW. I believe IV can charge up to $10,000 a day for advertising on the website. That would be $300,000/month or $3.6 million a year. Even $3000/day would result in over $1 million. That should not be very difficult to do.


That I completely agree with. In fact to start with google adsense is good. I think IV was looking into it. But it did not happen.

I wonder if there was any reason why IV could not do it. If IV does it, it can generate additional funds, and with the number of visitors these funds can be significant.

I being in US has more self esteem attached to it rather then anything else.

Please do not speak about forgery and unfair means of getting H1B and even applying for GC.

If the GC is to be given based on proper expertise, experience, qualification, experience letters, working knowledge then close to 50% of those crying foul can be sent back home without any issue by US authorities.

USCIS should look at all EB applications on Indian nationals, setup interview and one on one meeting do spot verification...doing this will speed up everything....:D...